Spin Zone RT: Who Is The Worst 2-0 Team?

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Sep 15, 2013; Kansas City, MO, USA; Kansas City Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith (11) hands off the ball to running back Jamaal Charles (25) during the second half of the game against the Dallas Cowboys at Arrowhead Stadium. The Chiefs won 17-16. Mandatory Credit: Denny Medley-USA TODAY Sports

Who is the worst 2-0 team in the league?

There are 8 teams for us to choose from – New England Patriots, Miami Dolphins, Kansas City Chiefs, Denver Broncos, Houston Texans, New Orleans Saints, Chicago Bears, Seattle Seahawks.

Here is the Spin Zone Staff in a round table sharing their responses to the question:

Emily Gruver
The worst 2-0 team has to be the New England Patriots. The Patriots have struggled to create efficient drives down the field and put points on the board. Tom Brady and his receivers just don’t have the chemistry just yet. This offense is not clicking on all cylinders.

Todd Frank
With apologies to my buddy Steve, I’m gonna have to go with the Miami Dolphins as the worst 2-0 team. Granted, both of their wins came on the road, but one was against Brandon Weeden and the still-bad Browns and they other came against an overrated Colts team that barely beat Oakland. I’m not sure the Chiefs are much better, but having a game-breaker like Jamal Charles in KC breaks the tie and leaves the Dolphins with this dubious title.

Joe Soriano
The worst 2-0 team really can’t be the New England Patriots, because I define this question differently than merely writing which team has played the worst. The Patriots have been terrible to this point, but they clearly aren’t the least talented team of the 2-0 teams in this league right now. Even though the passing game has been out of sync due to injuries and rookies, it’s going to be better once the rookies click and players get healed up. You really can’t look past a great running game and a defense that has been really good to this point, and the Patriots defense is better than the unit they threw out there last season; don’t sleep on them.

The worst 2-0 team should be defined as the 2-0 team that has the least chance of success for the remainder of the season, and that’s a really tough question since all of the 2-0 teams are playoff caliber. But if I had to pick one, it would be the Miami Dolphins over the Kansas City Chiefs.

The defense has one of the best front sevens in the NFL, but I really worry about this secondary. While I have no concerns with the safeties (Reshad Jones is elite) and Brent Grimes is a shutdown corner, this team has so little depth at CB. I flip-flopped between picking the Chiefs and Dolphins, but one of the reasons why I chose Miami is because they only have one legitimate corner in Grimes. As we saw in the Colts game, a really good No .2 WR like T.Y. Hilton can break things open against the Dolphins No. 2 cornerback.

I like Lamar Miller and Ryan Tannehill, and it’s difficult not to love the talent at wide receiver. But there are still question marks on the offensive line when it comes to left tackle and guard depth, and those are enough to make me bypass my concerns with the Chiefs WRs and some of their backups. It’s a tough call between the Chiefs and the Dolphins, but I’m going to go with the Dolphins since the Chiefs look more well-rounded at this point.

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  • Chris Logel

    I understand everyone picking Miami because they didn’t make the playoffs last year but you are crazy to say that the patriots have more talent than the dolphins. They have Brady and an injured Gronk and Amendola. Both the chiefs and the patriots will finish with a worse record then Miami.

    • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

      Am I crazy to say that the Patriots have better LBs than the Dolphins? Am I crazy to say that the Patriots have better CBs than the Dolphins? Am I crazy to say that the Patriots RBs, TEs, and QB are better? Am I crazy to say that the OL is a lot better? Gronk and Amendola aren’t going to be injured for the entire season (knocking on wood here haha), and this Patriots team is deeper than the Dolphins. Let me make this clear, I don’t hate the Dolphins at all, but I do think they are just a hair worse than the Chiefs. Just a hair. I actually had two paragraphs written about why I thought the Chiefs were worse, but I deleted them after realizing that I simply liked the Chiefs depth more; that was my tie-breaker.

      • Chris Logel

        Yes you are crazy, I would give the edge at QB and TE to the patriots. That is it, neither offensive line is particularly good. Dolphins have better CB’s. you can’t use the argument that Gronk and Amendola are injured so they don’t count against the patriots because they will be coming back, but in response to Miami’s current injuries to their DB’s claim that makes your point because the dolphins depth is suspect. Neither one of us are going to be proven right anytime soon, unless Miami beats the Falcons ( I don’t expect them to) or the pats lose to the Bucs (also wont happen). In truth New England was very fortunate to draw this ridiculously easy early season schedule to try and work out a few things, otherwise they would have not even qualified for the discussion had they played any one of the 2-0 teams schedule.

        • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

          Neither offensive line is particularly good? Sebastian Vollmer is one of the league’s best tackles, Nate Solder is another high-level tackle, Logan Mankins is still a very good guard (although a tad overrated, since some people still have him on top 100 lists), and center Ryan Wendell is an elite run blocker. The Dolphins have better CBs? I’ll take Dennard, Talib, and Arrington over Grimes, Patterson, and Carroll.

          Yeah, I’m glad the Patriots were able to start the season with easy games for that reason, and the schedule is really going to get difficult. The Pats have to face Atlanta and Cincy, and then they also have games against the Broncos and Texans later on in the year (that’s what makes the Pats schedule even more difficult when compared to the Dolphins). I hope and think the Dolphins will make the playoffs (I want to see another AFC East team do well), but I do have a couple of concerns. Listen, this is a good team, and I haven’t said anything otherwise about the Dolphins. The Patriots have their own issues they need to have worked out, but this is a team that did indeed go to the AFC Championship game last year and the Super Bowl the year before, so it’s not like they are bereft of talent you know.

          • Chris Logel

            It’s a good thing you like your line, I liked them too the past two weeks. I haven’t seen Brady under that much pressure since his Uggs commercials. Blah, blah with the schedule, we play Atlanta this week and cincy in week 9 also. We also have New Orleans and Baltimore coming up. NFL.com has the dolphins with the 8th toughest schedule and the pats with the 14th. As far as your “same team as previous years” statement goes, if that was the case I wouldn’t be disagreeing with you. This is not the same team as last year. Hernandez, welker, woodhead, injured Gronk. Just to name a few. I think the best coach in the league, belicheck, will get the best out of these guys, the problem is their best is still not very good.

          • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

            I think NFL.com adjusts their schedules for how good the team you are looking at is, because the Patriots have the tougher schedule. Why? The teams that did better in the past season have tougher schedules, and that’s the way it should be. Both the Dolphins and Pats play the same division opponents, the same AFC North teams, and the same NFC South teams. The only difference is that the Dolphins “extra” two games in their own conference are against worse teams than the Pats, since the Pats finished first in their division last year and the Dolphins were second. Another reason why NFL.com ranks the Dolphins schedule higher is that the Pats play the Dolphins twice and the Dolphins play the Pats twice, and the Pats are thus a tougher matchup to face than the Dolphins in strength of schedule (NFL.com uses winning percentage from last year).

            The Patriots have a tougher schedule than the Dolphins, but that’s because they “deserve” to have a tougher schedule since they played better last year. Hope that clarifies. I don’t think we’ve seen anywhere close to the Patriots best. This defense is better than it was last year, the running game is better (don’t sleep on Shane Vereen as Woodhead’s replacement btw, especially in the passing game), and the crazy thing is that the receivers could be better once/if the rookies get clicking.

          • andrew

            If Miami’s rookies get clicking then what? Quick question. Do you think New England could have gone into Indy and beaten them last week? Because what it sounds like to me, is that your assuming the pats are going to get better when there is clear lack of talent ontheir team. Especially offensively.Miami and KC are clearly trending upward and will get better from here. They have made upfrades to their team in the offseason while the Patriots have given away alot of their depth.

          • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

            A clear lack of talent? I truly think you are either trolling or an incredibly biased Dolphins fan. Brady, Ridley, Vereen, Amendola, Gronk, Vollmer, Solder, Mankins, and Edelman are all talented players. On defense they have D-Mac, Dennard, Mayo, Hightower, Jones, Wilfork, Kelly, and Spikes. This team made it to the AFC Championship game last season, so they aren’t bereft of talent.

            If Miami gets clicking on defense, then I will definitely give them their due. Why do you and others believe that I hate the Dolphins or something? I don’t hate your team at all, and I’m defending the Patriots since I feel that there are so many uneducated opinions spouted out about the team.

          • skeletony

            Seahawk fan here and I don’t really follow the Dolphins, but you have some real problems with your arguments. For starters you are counting a bunch of injured players (all three of which may see very little play time this season) as “talent”. Secondly, Ridley seems decent enough as a second RB or something but I don’t think he is the sort to have multiple 1,000 yard seasons or some such.
            Granted the Pats (whom I AM a fan of) still have Brady and Belicheick and a handful of very good players at other positions but you have to give a lot more weight to what they have shown thus far and so far they have played badly. I would not be overly surprised to see the Dolphins make the playoffs this year and even do well ion them.

          • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

            My worst fear is that Gronk and Amendola will get injured again, because then the Pats will be screwed. I think this team will still win the division due to their depth and improved defense, but they probably aren’t even better than the Bengals right now. What upsets me is the fact that a few people legitimately think that the Patriots are “bad” or whatever.

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  • ntd3423

    How can miami be the worst with back to back wins on the road they beat cleveland 23-10 and the beat colts at home who were 7-1 at home last year. Lets see how many more then times the colts lose at home. Plus fns played without one of there starting corners in that game against the colts a guy named patterson who had 2 ints a week earlier. Saints barely beat tampa, patriots barely won against two teams that suck and chiefs beat a horrible jacksonville team. No way fins are the worst, an awesome defense and good recievers with an up and coming qb, these people dont know anything

    • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

      Again, most of us are answering this question from the perspective of, “Who will finish as the worst team?” and not simply “Who has played the worst through two games?”.

  • andrew

    You can tell that these guys aren’t watching the games they just listen to the hype. If any other team had played as poorly against marginal compition as New England has, people would rip them for it. I love how Miami winning in Cleveland was no big deal, but KC winning in Arrowhead (traditionally one if the hardest places to play in the NFL) against the Jags was used to help make the case of why KC is better.

    • andrew

      By the way, Mr. Soriano, in the Colts game, Miami’s 2nd, 3rd, and 4th CB’s were out injured. Miami’s backup free safety played nickel corner for them, and they held Andrew Luck to 3points in the 2nd half. Gentlemen, WATCH THE GAMES!!!

      • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

        Thanks, but you just proved nothing. My criticism was of the Dolphins lack of depth at corner, and the only way I see that question being solved is if Jamar Taylor is able to have a big rookie year. I’m not sold on that. I think the Dolphins are a playoff-caliber team for sure, but I think the Chiefs are slightly better since they are the more well-rounded team. I flip-flopped between both, and I don’t mind you believing that the Dolphins are the better team; it’s really close.

        • andrew

          If the Dolphins beat the Falcons this weekend, does that do it for you? If the patriots eek out another win against the bucs this weekend and Miami beats Atlanta what are you going to say after that?

          • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

            The Patriots issues at receiver are because the rookies are still getting things down, so my evaluation on the Pats won’t change until a few more weeks. As for the Dolphins, I will definitely look at them much more favorably if they can beat a team as good as the Falcons. Both the ‘Fins and Pats are in different situations, so please don’t try to compare them directly.

    • Chris

      For someone who implies they watch the games, I should inform you that the Chiefs home opener (in Arrowhead) was against the Cowboys. They went to Jacksonville week one, where they held them to two points. For a Chiefs fan, I like the turnaround from last year, and I may not be completely sold yet, however, I do think the Fins are worse off as of now.

      • chiefridgy

        Tell em Chris! Lol. Once the offense for the chiefs gels they are going to be a force!

      • andrew

        Touche I stand corrected lol While I do respectfully disagree on KC, I would take KC any day over the Patriots who have tried their best to loose their first 2 games and won by accident. I love Andy Reid, and I like where the Chiefs are going. I just don’t think I can trust what I see frim their defense, when they shut down the Jags (nuff said on that), and the Cowboys who jad big offensive numbers against the Giants ( who surprisingly don’t look very good at all defensively).

        • Chris

          If there’s a reason to be concerned with the Chiefs, it’s certainly not from the defense. The defense is the main reason the Chiefs stand at 2-0. This whole organization has been revamped, which is why last year shouldn’t even be a factor. The ONLY question mark I have about the defense, is the one-on-one coverage with big, aggressive receivers (which was shown last week with Flowers on Dez). Hopefully tonight, it’ll be a better match-up with D. Jackson. My hesitancy with this team lies with the offense. If the offense continues to stalemate and go 3 and out, regardless of having Colquit who can put the ball damn near anywhere he wants from punting, the defense will tire out, giving up points.

          • andrew

            Indeed!

    • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

      Andrew, most of us are answering the question, “Who IS the worst?” and not “Who has PLAYED the worst?”, because the latter question is insanely simplistic. I mean, there’s more to the regular season than two weeks of football, right?

      • andrew

        Do you consider the Ravens super bowl favorites? They won it last year. 2 games do matter.

    • Jordan

      Man, I’ve never seen someone blatantly insult someone for not fact checking, then forget to checks facts in their own post. That’s embarrassing.

      • andrew

        I’m sorry bro, it didn’t take that long for the Chiefs to prove to me that they were going to destroy the Jags. I knew they would be really good. After I saw a little of the game. I was satisfied. The Jags looked like a JV team out there though, so I couldn’t take away too much from the game. I guess I assumed they were at home because all the fans were cheering for the Chiefs lol

  • Jacob

    What a joke. Even when Miami makes the playoffs there will still be excuses and putting Miami down. Soriano…have you watched a Miami game? If there have been issues at any position on the offensive line it sure hasn’t been at left guard! I’ve watched both games, do you know how many times Martin’s name has been spoken? Not once. If an offensive linemen’s name isn’t called during a game then they are doing a pretty good job. The sacks that have been allowed were allowed by the right side of the line. The fact that you are saying Martin is the issue shows that you are just repeating what everyone else says. And yes you are crazy to say that the Patriots LBs are better than Miami’s. The RB’s are probably a wash and the Patriots do the Patriot’s even have an active TE?

    • http://www.musketfire.com/ Joe Soriano

      RBs are probably a wash? There’s more to the position than just the starters. The Patriots have two active TEs in Michael Hoomanwanui (a really good blocking TE) and Zach Sudfeld, who hasn’t been playing much for some reason (don’t ask me why, I can’t read Belichick’s mind haha).

  • Mark Bustamante

    Hey Ernie you’re a dumbass Any team can win on any given Sunday or Monday or thursday. They still have to SHOW UP AND PLAY!!!! As for the KC CHIEFS no one has ever respected them but they will this season. You should go back to cheering for the Cowgirls you know nothing hack.

    • http://boltbeat.com/ Ernie Padaon

      but I hate the Cowboys

  • Fraziel

    I think Joe that Miami does have poor depth at CB but when they are all fit they are a good set of players. Grimes is elite and Patterson was outstanding in week 1, although it was admittedly only the Browns. We have yet to find out just how good Jamar Taylor is but this is a guy that was a first round pick on many draft boards and a high second at worst. Once he has recovered from injury i expect to see him show his quality and gradually be rotated into the side. Now a secondary of Grimes, Taylor, Jones and Clemons sounds pretty damn good to me. Its just keeping them all fit that will be the problem.

    Looking at the offense, Miami have a quality young QB who is nowhere near as good as he is going to get in future, a good receiver squad and a decent first string RB in Miller. There are definitely question marks at O line,TE and RB depth but i just cannot see how Miami with a potential top 5 defence and receivers like Wallace and hartline ( who is still enormously under rated by nearly everyone) are worse than the chiefs who were woeful last year. Dont be surprised to see Miami win a game against the Pats this year too. If Miami beat Atlanta on Sunday, and if Patterson is fit and plays over Carroll then that is a good possibility as the Falcons secondary looks highly suspect, I would like you to eat some humble pie,lol!

  • Hawkman54

    Interesting that the most picked teams are both from The AFC east! GO HAWKS!

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