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Vikings Rumors: Mike Zimmer hinting Bridgewater to start


 

After being selected 32nd overall in Thursday’s draft, quarterback Teddy Bridgewater has fully invested himself in his new team, the Minnesota Vikings. According to NFL.com writer Chris Wesseling, the Vikings have appeared to have made the same investment in Bridgewater. Wesseling writes:

“”Teddy will play when we feel like he’s ready, if he’s the best guy, which we hope that he will be,” coach Mike Zimmer said, via The Star Tribune. “We always want to have competition.”

There is no guarantee Bridgewater will be ready for the start of 2014. However, coach Mike Zimmer is more optimistic about the idea of his rookie quarterback starting than that of other teams. Wesseling also touched on Jaguars rookie Blake Bortles, and Jacksonville’s apparent decision to let the rookie learn behind veteran Chad Henne.

“Conceding that No. 3 overall pick Blake Bortles has “some development to do,” the Jacksonville Jaguars plan to ease their rookie quarterback in behind Chad Henne this season.”

Minnesota signed veteran Matt Cassel to a two-year, $10 million contract this offseason. After opting not to pick up quarterback Christian Ponder’s fifth-year option, it seems inevitable that the competition lies between Cassel and Bridgewater.

Coach Mike Zimmer heavily supports competition between his players. With this philosophy, it will be Matt Cassel’s job to lose, and Bridgewater’s job to show why he was worth Minnesota trading back into round one to select him. With the guidance of Norv Turner, I expect big things from the rookie much sooner rather than later.

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  • Vikeadan

    I think Bridgewater will be ready play by middle of season, he will probably have a learning curve with Turners offensive scheme. I see him starting by the bye week, and not looking back after that.
    Skol Vikings!

  • Gary

    Bridgewater has bust all over him. This is the nfl,he is to small,can’t run and no velocity on the ball. You fans cry about ponder’s arm,wait to you see Bridgewater go down field. Ponder is twice the athlete Bridgewater is. With turner teaching Ponder,the sky is the limit.Ponder has all the abilities and without mustgraves stagnant play calling,you will see a whole new ponder.

    • oneninenine

      Bridgewater isn’t an athlete, who said he is? He won games with accuracy and intelligence, not by running over linebackers. Look at his completion percentage, and lack of INTs. Big strong arms are overrated anyway.

    • David Crosby

      His ball velocity is why I didn’t want him. Screams INTS!! He does what Ponder does and not drive off that back foot. Hopefully Scott and Norv get that figured out. If it was just Rick who picked this guy I’d be worried but Zimmer and Turner had to have some say in it also and I trust their talent evaluation.

      • kyle

        My question to you is how do you use “ball velocity” and “Ponder” in the same sentence with a serious tone? Bridgewater dissects a defense, moves safeties with his eyes and has tremendous ball placement. He throws his receivers open, which Ponder can’t do. Ponder is the past and Bridgewater is the future. Manziel is smaller than Teddy too. Were you a Manziel supporter? 6’2 214 pounds with room to put an extra 10-15 pounds of muscle on him is heavy enough. Quit drinking the Ponder kool-aide.

        • Gary

          teddy was in the one nineties a few months ago and has trouble maintaining his weight and know manziel will never get away with the stuff he did in college . The pros are a whole different story.

          • kyle

            Teddy was also sick at that point. I remember reading a report stating his illness was the reason why his weight dipped so low. Coming into the combine at 214 pounds being 6’2 isn’t a bad spit. He can add another 10 pounds and be fine.

          • Gary

            Kyle,lets just hope who ever is the qb this year,we kick butt. I here Ponder is doing real good ,so we just need to wish him good luck and the best man will when. Ponder’s problems are more mental then physical,if fans showed him more support and cheered instead of booed, it would be a start. People need to realize this is the nfl, qb are going to throw ints,the defenses are to good. Look at Seattle in the super bowl, probably the greatest qb of all time looked rattled.Also we justccan’t compare college stats against nfl stats.

          • kyle

            Ponder has no confidence anymore. A quarterback can’t play without confidence in this league and expect to succeed. That’s why JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leaf are no longer in the league.

          • Gary

            Kyle, why are you in denial ? Your so busy hating Ponder,your sense of reality disappeared . Your taking this so personal, maybe your the one that’s obsessed about Bridgewater …lol. Good luck to all the qbs on the team, last time i checked,their all wearing vikings uniforms. Best man wins job, then cheer for who ever it is. Thats a true fan, not this booing shit. Fans need to learn how to behave, show real support for the team

          • kyle

            No I’m not in denial, but fans need a reality check of this situation. The real competition lies between Teddy and Cassel. Ponder will take scout team reps. I know I’m not the only fan that sees Ponder’s weaknesses are areas of strength for Teddy such as reading defenses, looking off defenders, not locking onto receivers, having the ability to put the team on his back and carry it if need be. These are things that teddy excels in. Ponder has shown flashes, but is way too inconsistent. Prime example is the first four and last four weeks of the2012 season. If Ponder ddoesn’t take care of the football we don’t make the playoffs. However, he had several bad games during those middle 8 weeks. In college, teddy has been consistent. He will have to adapt to the speed of the NFL, but I would rather take a chance on a kid that has shown he has the ability to stay consistent than somebody who never even showed consistency in college.

          • Gary

            You say teddy this, teddy that,again it was college football. What is it going take to make you understand he hasn’t done anything in the nfl yet,so those stats. mean nothing until he does them in the nfl. You say Ponder is going to hold the clip board and watch Cassel and Bridgewater play. How is this possible ? Only one can play at time,and if you no so much on who is going to start, maybe you should coach the team. Zimmer doesn’t even no who’s starting, but he did say all rookies will be on the bottom of the depth chart. And as far as Cassel starting, so be it, but his stat are no better than Ponder’s. Also 2012 Ponder’s real first year where he had a training camp ,Ponder was the number one rated Qb the first six weeks, not bad for a young Qb and took his team to the playoffs.After three games into 2013 you crazy fans called for his head,knowing dam well the defense was to blameand saying he had three years now. Where the hell do you get three years out of that. That’s where all th morons loose their credibility. Clearly thats not three years to develop. So enough with the hateing. Ponder will shine like a bright star under turner’s wings and all the ponder haters are going to eat crow.

          • kyle

            Time and time again you miss my point. Yes, Ponder had the highest quarterback rating for 6 weeks. However, I didn’t know we played a six week schedule. That’s right. We play 16 games. He’s too inconsistent. His confidence is shaken and you know as well as I do that no quarterback can win in this league with no confidence. Need I remind you that while Teddy was IN COLLEGE, he was a consistent quarterback. You don’t have a 3:1 touchdown to INT ratio if you’re not consistent. Hell, Ponder didn’t even have that in college. I would roll the dice on a rookie that slhas shown consistency versus what we know we have in Ponder. I’ve never claimed to be a coach and never will be. This is strictly my opinion that I’ve made based off what I’ve seen from Ponder in the NFL and the news coming from minicamp.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            This isn’t College Kyle.

          • kyle

            No shit. Those were Ponder’s 2012 stats as a professional considering he was drafted in 2011.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            You were talking about Teddy being consistent in College. Actually he wasn’t he had a good 2013 Season. That has no relevance. Almost all College Quarterbacks have some consistency or ability in college or they wouldn’t be in the NFL. You make lame arguments some of the time.

          • kyle

            Every year he got better. His INT totals dropped from 12 to 8 to 4 as a starter. He may not have had mind blowing statistics, but he showed progression from year one to his final year as a starter. This is significant as it identifies his ability to better take care of the ball and make better decisions. I think I’ve said this before, but half his touchdowns this season were against the blitz. I will take that over the wasted 2.5 years on Ponder any day. I’m still waiting for Ponder to prove me wrong. Guess we’ll half to wait til at least August to see if he’s still the best quarterback in shorts in practice.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Again “ALL” college Quarterbacks that get selected in the NFL show progression each year. It is something that “ALL” scouts look for. You obviously didn’t see the “NFL”Blitz drills that Teddy has partaken in. He completed one out four and was sacked twice. You just don’t give up. As far as what I see, Teddy looks like he “might” be a good qb down the stretch. I still think and from all the reports, I am being proven right, that Derek Carr was the Quarterback that “should have been by Minnesota.” He fits perfectly for the team. It’s funny that you build up Teddy so much and talk down Christian, and yet to me they look like the same type of quarterback. The only difference is Christian has some experience, and it shows. But, we aren’t going to have a good picture of things until Pre-Season, when all the QB’s are playing against competition. As of the Close of OTA’s, Teddy and Matt received most of the First team reps and Christian still outperformed them on the 1 minute QB drill to close things out.

          • kyle

            Again, Christian looks amazing in practice, but, come game time, looks like a deer in the headlights. The only thing we can agree on is wait til preseason to see who performs better. It’s only June after all.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            I agree but starting off the year with getting a fractured rib from poor protection, I am sure had a lot to do with the tone of that. He was playing hurt. I am not sure you or I, would play at our optimal ability with a fractured rib either. But he came back strong after sitting behind Cassel and Freeman for a few games. Last year, none of the Quarterbacks looked Amazing in Pre-Season. I think McCloud Bethel Thompson is the only one that Won a game. This year they will come out hard, especially Christian and Teddy, cause they need to prove something.

          • kyle

            There’s an article on Pro Football Talk that’s titled “Christian Ponder: We wouldn’t be in this position if I played better”. You should go check it out. Speaking of MBT, he was in the process of leading a comeback victory against Houston during preseason, but came up short in the red zone. Really wish they would’ve kept him instead of flopping on the freeman experiment. This is is Christian’s “prove it” year. Not only is he auditioning for a job with the Vikes, but the NFL as well. He could very well end up traded if the price is right and another team is in need of a quarterback with starting experience.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Yes, I agree. I kind of liked MBT. An underdog kind of guy. Honestly I think they should have drafted Carr in the second with a move up from the third round. They could have picked up Kyle Van Noy with Bridgewaters pick, give Ponder a prove it year. I doubt he couldn’t have a winning season with Kyle Van Noy on one side, and Anthony Barr on the other, and Jasper/Greenway/Mauti/Cole in the Middle. Could you imagine the Chaos they could have made? Then, if Ponder doesn’t get to the post season with that ensemble(which might be impossible). If Carr or Ponder didn’t look like the QB of the Future, Then Bite the Bullet and break the bank on Marcus Mariota.

          • kyle

            You know, I think I can agree with you here. Having Barr/Van Noy on the outside coupled with our front four would be ferocious. I did like Carr, but I liked Bridgewater’s overall game better than Carr.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Lol, whether he looks like a deer in the headlights or not, you have to admit he moves the ball down the field pretty damn well. He just doesn’t get it in the endzone enough, like he should. If he can do that he will be fine. I know the team wants to put points on the board but the amount of field goals the last couple years have been ridiculous.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Christian was consistent in college, he just went through a lot. CP7 had shoulder surgery while in College and missed some games, and had to fight back from that. If that’s what you are calling inconsistent. Also, I think the defenses were far better the 2011 class in that Conference. Most of his NFL inconsistency in 2012 was caused by injuries to Harvin and Rudolph, and crap load of dropped passes. I think he performed better than the numbers probably indicate. But, don’t get me Wrong, Teddy seems like a great guy, and is doing well in OTA’s but as Greg Jennings put it recently with the best quote ever. When asked about Teddy and the QB’s , he said “All QB’s look good until you get a defense in their face.” So, we will have to see how Teddy does as far as Cassel and Ponder. I think Cassel had healthy receivers and an All Pro Tight End in Kyle Rudolph for most of the games whereas Ponder had John Carlson. Another huge difference was Cassel had Patterson as a WR or RB for most downs. While CP7 had Patterson occasionally on select passing downs, and the funny thing or not so funny in Ponders case, is Patterson got open and Ponder found him and hit him almost every time he was on the field. He had a lot of yards for the short amount of time he was on the field for CP7. I think with a healthy Rudolph and CP84 on the field with Ponder he would have had a much more productive game and probably would have pulled off far more wins.
            Also, I will change your mind about Christian Ponder not going through progressions and moving Safeties around with his eyes when he has time. Or not being able to thread the needle upfield.
            I am going to post two TD passes to Kyle Rudolph, one by Matt Cassel, and one by Christian Ponder. I want you to watch them and tell me which QB doesn’t go through progressions and just checks down. And which QB goes through progressions and finds the deep man, (Keep in mind these both look similar on their stat sheets). Okay?

            Matt Cassel
            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000261436/Kyle-Rudolph-23-yard-touchdown-catch

            Christian Ponder
            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000275332/Rudolph-bounces-off-tackles-gets-into-the-end-zone

            So?

          • kyle

            As far as the videos go, you showed two completely different plays in different situations. Rudolph was the hot read in the Carolina game since the defense sent 6 on a blitz and Ponder’s play was a PA pass in which his first read was the outside receiver on the weak side. It wasn’t there and found Rudolph down the seem. Dallas also dropped 7 into coverage. So, with that being said, you can’t compare the two plays. Both quarterbacks have their own strengths and weaknesses. We shall see who the better quarterback is come training camp and preseason. I’m just excited for the season to start.

          • kyle

            See I have a problem with isolating those two plays and comparing them. In Cassel’s video, Rudolph was the hot read against the blitz and it worked in his favor. In Ponder’s video, it was a PA pass with the first read going to the outside receiver and Rudolph his second read as Dallas dropped 7 into coverage. That’s not a fair analysis for both quarterbacks. When Ponder has time in the pocket to go through progressions and the line his protecting him, he’s a good quarterback. He’s terrible against the blitz. That’s an area where Cassel is marginally better and Bridgewater is exceptional. If you take a look at his college stats, over half his touchdowns came against the blitz. I know it’s not fair to compare college to the NFL, but the point is that it at least shows me teddy is able to dissect the blitz and make opposing defenses pay for it. I think we both can agree on that the season needs to start so we can see who the better quarterback was during training camp and preseason and get this team turned around quicker than most people think.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Ponder was the same way as Bridgewater in College a lot of his big plays were on blown up pockets,he was fantastic against NCAA blitzes, that is why Minnesota thought he would be good choice. There are a lot of similarities between Bridgewater and Ponder. But to say Ponder is horrible against the NFL Blitz is not a complete picture, he is really good and really bad against the blitz. He has had huge plays,game winning plays, and plays that turn into turnovers, I personally think he tries to do too much, because he does have some great broken up plays. When, maybe he should just throw it away, like Rodgers or Brady would. I guess he feels, if he doesn’t convert the defense won’t give them the ball back, which is a rational fear, but if he did just throw it away or run instead of forcing a pass, his stats would have been far better, and he probably would have saved his job. When the game is on the line, that’s one thing, which he is very good at, but when you are up by 10 or more points to force situations like that doesn’t make much sense.

          • kyle

            We cab talk about what he should’ve done or could’ve done, but you’re ignoring the fact that he was horrible last season and half of the season before that. You can’t consistently win games when you pass for under 100 yards. Again, he has shown flashes of brillianceand then he makes a play that makes you scratch your head. He shows no consistency. He is at his best on rroll outs and bootlegs, but needs to get better inside the pocket. He needs to develop pocket awareness. Step up into the pocket and make the throw instead of tucking his tail between his legs and escaping the pocket. He also needs to work on consistently avoiding to lock o to his receivers. I see him as a career backup and I hope he proves me wrong. There’s just too many holes in his game for me to justify calling him a franchise quarterback. I think he could he an above average backup, but that’s it. I’m not a scout or a coach. Never claimed to be. Just an avid fan that plays a ton of madden lol. Honestly the best thing that could happen for him is to get traded or cut so he can have a fresh start. He might be a good option behind Nick Files in Philly. I believe he has the physical tools to run the read-option and make the necessary intermediate throws in chip Kelly’s offense. He would probably struggle with the deep ball though.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            Well he is outperforming both Matt Cassel and Bridgewater so far so I don’;t see that happening. His first one-minute drill he hits his receiver Kain Colter on the deep ball for a TD. Whereas neither Bridgewater or Cassel could hit guys on the deep ball and ended up with field goals. He is starting to prove me right.

          • kyle

            That’s funny because Bridgewater had the rookie symposium to go to and was rusty for two days when he got back. After that, Teddy is back on track. Cassel has been zipping throws all over the field, especially on his out routes. Ponder has had a couple good practices, but hasn’t shown the consistency in practices strung together yet. We’re not even to mandatory mini-camp let alone training camp yet, so nobody’s allowed to hit anybody. JaMarcus Russell looked good at the combine, his pro day and in practice in June, but things changed when he was going up against a defense that can tackle him. Same thing goes for Minnesota’s quarterbacks. All of them could look good in shorts in June, but how do they do in pads with defenses that are allowed to hit? Let’s yank the reins on the “ponder’s going to start” horse before they’re even in pads yet. So far, all I’ve seen is typical Ponder. Looks great in practice, but panics during the game.

        • David Crosby

          Never liked Ponder Kyle. Not the day he was drafted or anytime since. Thanks.

          • kyle

            Pretty sure that was meant for these two guys who can’t seem to get off Ponder’s jock strap. Sorry about that.

        • JJSamurai

          You are fooling yourself if you think Bridgewater is more Accurate than Ponder. Watch tape again Bridgewater throws are not as accurate as his numbers suggest. As far as pulling safeties off with his eyes, he would of been sacked by the crappy lack of protection Christian has had to deal with. Luckily for Teddy I think we fixed that problem by drafting Yankee.
          I honestly think that we have a better chance of winning with Christian this year than Teddy. With Norve OC and Zimmerman’s D. We could go all the way with a healthy Christian 12-4 . With Cassel who knows, flip a coin. He has the potential to be great, but is too inconsistent 9-7. Teddy, he will have a learning curve season 8-8

          • kyle

            How is Ponder more accurate than Teddy? Let’s look at some statistics shall we? Ponder completed 61.8% of his passes over a 3 year career as a starter for approximately 6800 yards with an AY/A of 6.7. Bridgewater completed just shy of 70% of his passes for just under 10,000 yards with an AY/A of over 10. Sure he threw quite a few short passes. However, you can’t take into account that maybe that’s what the defense was giving him. In the system he was in at Louisville, his progressions started deep and worked his way back to his check downs. Sound familiar? That’s because the Air Coryell system Nor turner runs is vastly similar yet more complex than the system in college. Now I don’t have the time to look up EXACT statistics as I just got done with a 12 hour shift and I’m tired. However, Ponder isn’t half the quarterback Bridgewater is. Ponder is a first round pick that will wind up a career backup and nothing more.

          • JJSamurai

            You are comparing Teddy’s College stats to Christians NFL’s Stats. Not really a good comparison. I was referring to the accuracy of throws. Despite having not a good TD to Int ratio. CP7 Rarely throws an inaccurate pass. His passes are on the money. Even when he gets picked off, they are going right at the intended receivers hands. He has had some really bad luck of it bouncing off receivers hands, CB’s jumping predictable routes, CB’s just outplaying the receivers. I just think 2013 even though he posted improved numbers from 2012, CP7 didn’t have the best of luck from his support cast. But if you want to compare stats, go to their college stats. Bridgewaters are mildly better in the passing department, and CP7 are dramatically better in the Rushing dept. But the overall TD to Int. Ratio is fairly similar for both QB’s. So, as Bridgewater puts it.. Everything is new, College stats don’t matter anymore. What matters is how they both play this year. I couldn’t agree with him more.

          • kyle

            No I am not comparing Ponder’s NFL stats to Teddy’s college stats. I’m smarter than that. Get off your ass and look up their college stats. They don’t compare. I took stats from Ponder’s 3 years as a starter at FSU. Google it. Ponder’s numbers were mediocre in college and pedestrian in the NFL. Bridgewater completed 8% more passes for approximately 3300 more yards in the same time frame with double the amount of touchdowns (70+ touchdowns and 24 picks in 3.5 seasons of starting at UL). The only thing Ponder has going for him is his athleticism. Also, Ponder has already reached his ceiling as a career backup and will never be successful in this league because he has no confidence anymore. Teddy has done things in college that I WISH Ponder would’ve done in the NFL. And believe me, I was a Ponder supporter for the last three years and I can no longer support him as this team’s future face of the franchise. You need to get out of denial and face the FACTS that Ponder is garbage. Always has been. Always will be.

          • JJSamurai

            Apparently you aren’t smarter than that. No, your stats are wrong. Sorry buddy, but you have to look up the stats again. Count the amount of games played as well. Add the passing yards and the Rushing yards. Add the Rushing TD to Passing TD totals. Then get back to me when you get the big picture.

          • kyle

            http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/christian-ponder-1.html this is christian Ponder’s college stats. Same sight I referenced. My numbers were APPROXIMATE yet in the ballpark. Look it up yourself.

          • JJSamurai

            I was talking about his 1st year as a starter in College and Teddy’s first year as a starter in college, Christians were better. That shows me potential. Sure Teddy probably worked harder at football, and Christian obviously spent more time in class coming out with an MBA. So yes Teddy had better stats in his Senior year in passing, but did you see Christians Rushing stats? Also, Teddy threw tons of short screens and 5 yard passes and left it to the receivers to run it in. Most of Christians were Legit touchdown passes.

            Don’t get me wrong I like Bridgewater as a player. He should do fine.

            But, I don’t think you realize how underrated CP7 is.

            Here go to this recent thread, and see my stats on “if” he was in a Passing offense and played out the year last year.

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000353233/article/christian-ponder-to-share-vikings-firstteam-reps

          • kyle

            Ponder is too frail to he used as a running quarterback. I will look at rushing stats for running backs and certain receivers. What you fail to realize is teddy was taking what the defense gave him in the pro-style offense he ran. His progressions went deep, intermediate and short. He did what any smart quarterback would do and take the completion instead of forcing passes. There’s a hood clip on YouTube of Teddy on NFL network. He was going through how he approaches the center after he breaks the huddle and where his eyes go. He’s scanning the field from left to right as he approaches the line. He’s calling his own protections as well. These are little things that Ponder didn’t do in college. I’m sorry that I feel Ponder isn’t even worth taking first team reps at OTA’s. He needs a fresh start with a new team. He’s had 3 years to prove he is the franchise quarterback and failed.

          • JJSamurai

            Okay Kyle, now I can finally agree with you on multiple things. One, yes Christian needs to beef up about 15 pounds and work on his rushing skills with a Running Back coach if he wants to keep up that style of play. Apparently he has put on some muscle and is heading that direction.
            I completely see that Teddy was being smart and giving what the Defense gave to him. That was my biggest problems with a lot of his games, is the defense played way too soft most of the time. But, I don’t fault him for that. I would do the same thing and take the easy receptions, and hope for a nice gain after the touch.
            The thing where I disagree is CP7 has good awareness and when the deep guy gets open he sees it and hits them if he has time. The problem is he rarely has more than 2 seconds before the pocket collapses. This year he tried to stay in the Pocket(as that’s what the coaches wanted) but honestly I think it was bad advice. He needs to be allowed to move around wherever he needs to go avoid the sack and extend the play. Because the Pocket earlier last year collapsed within 2 sec. which is unsatisfactory for any QB. I think this Norve Turner System is a Perfect match for CP7. I think this is his fresh start. It’s an all new coach an all new playbook. I would love to see him thrive in this new system.
            Also, I wouldn’t call going to the Playoffs your first Season as Starter a failure. Yes I know Adrian Rushed for 2000 yards, great what was his reception yards? Who got the First downs on Third and long? Then your second season as a starter improving your QB Rating, you have a strange idea of failure son. Apparently, you would of given up on Kurt Warner and Drew Brees as a Franchise Quarterback as well. The kid just started, he had one full season as a starter, and the team went to the playoffs. Just because he wasn’t ELi Manning his first year you say get rid of him? Speaking of Eli, go look at his QB stats this last year. Be thankful that he isn’t Eli Manning.

          • kyle

            No I wouldn’t have given up on a HOF quarterback and another who probably deserves his shot in the HOF. Quarterbacks, receivers and corners typically take at least 3 years to develop. He has had about 2 and a half years to develop and hasn’t made that stride that most quarterbacks make in year 3. I will disagree with you about his awareness. He honestly doesn’t have any. Too many times was Jennings open deep and Ponder checked it down. He gets happy feet after his first read. That doesn’t scream awareness to me. That tells me has no pocket awareness and needs to step up into the pocket when he can and make the deep throws, which is also an area he needs to work on. Norv’s system is a vertical passing attack and Ponder doesn’t have the arm strength to be successful in this offense. Remember the fail Mary? Yea, my point exactly. Ponder is most successful on roll outs and bootlegs. However, he needs to adapt to the pocket as well. It’s great that he’s athletic enough to beat you outside the pocket, but that’s dangerous. Ask RG3 how that went for him last season. I want a quarterback that will stand tall in the pocket, make the throw and take a hit like Teddy has shown he can do, especially against Florida in the sugar bowl a couple years ago. I’m not saying that I want Ponder to be Peyton Manningin year three. All I’m asking for is some progression such as not locking onto receivers, pump faking DB’s, looking off DB’s, sensing the pressure around you and knowing when to step up in the pocket and when to escape the pocket, etc. These are things he should be doing by now and he just isn’t. To his defense, he was handicapped by the “quarterbackguru” (sorry phone messed up there) Bill Musgrave. We will just have to wait and see some preseason games to see how he fairs, but I’m not keeping my hopes up.

          • JJSamurai

            Yes the fail Mary was pretty ridiculous but it was within 8 yards of the goal line so at least the receiver could of made a better read and “try” to catch it and take it in. I consider this his true 3rd year. As far as not hitting Jennings, I don’t think the pocket held up well enough to hit him most the time. The Pass Protection really sucked early in the year. Kalil was the only guy to really provide decent pass protection on a consistent basis early in the year. That’s why JMarcus Webb lost his job in Minnesota, after Ponder got pummeled in the endzone in the dallas game, management thought they have seen enough of J’Marcus Webb’s pass protection. I wish him well in K.C. But, that’s when the Oline started to pull it together a little better.
            I know he has prepared really hard for this year, so absolutely lets see how he does preseason. Although, I would rather see Teddy Bridgewater Vs. Derek Carr on preseason game one. But I want to see an entire preseason game with CP7 at the helm and see how things go.

          • kyle

            He won’t get a full game, but I bet he gets 1-2 quarters to see what he can do in this offense. In all honesty, I’m just excited for the season to start already. We’ve had an amazing off season and I’m dying to see how the defense will look. Lord knows we needed a ton of help on the defensive side of the ball.

          • JJSamurai

            See to me that’s a problem. Everyone knows CP7 can tear it up for a quarter or two. But, we need to see him tear it up for a complete game. Which he rarely has been able to do. Now my question is, was it him? or was it Musgrave and Fraziers game management? I think if we see him play a whole game under Norve we would get a better picture of his ability. Where I disagree with you, is i think his long passes are fine, and he moves the ball well. But, if you look at how many times the team kicked field goals in the redzone, you will see his true problem. It’s definitely his Redzone passing. He prefers to run it in, and that has been a big mistake. I think if he can increase his Redzone passing ability, he will be a force to be reckoned with.

          • kyle

            His long passes are not fine. He’s had a problem with deep passes even since his college days. He only completed 63% of his passes in college, so he’s never been known as an extremely accurate quarterback. He needs to work on his progressions as well. Entering his 3rd year in the league, he needs to show some progression from one read to another instead of running after his first read isn’t open. Where we both agree is his red zone passing. Way too many field goals in the red zone when they should’ve put 7 on the board. With Frazier and Musgrave out of the picture, the entire perception of ponder could change. I’m not saying he’s going to transform into an Aaron Rodgers type quarterback. I’m just saying I hope the kid proves me wrong and shows improvement with a competent coaching staff.

          • http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2844586/ JJSamurai

            I am definitely with you on the last sentence. I think that it is very possible to turn CP7 into a serious contender in a year. He hasn’t played too long under Frasier and BM to completely demoralize him and his confidence. Here this is just 2011 his first start, and he showed postential. Made a few mistakes but overall looked like an NFL QB his first Start.
            http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8236898b/WK-7-Christian-Ponder-highlights

      • Danny Helms Jr.

        Ponder has no more upside. Bridgewater does. We’ve seen what ponder can do. He’s a one read guy who once that first receiver isn’t there, takes off running. Bridgewater is the same athlete as ponder, except he can move IN the pocket. Find other options and most importantly, he keeps his eyes downfield.

        • Gary

          you have seen what ponder can do? ponder has only played really one full season.Last the first three games he made some good throws. Yes some ints,some off players hands which aren’t qbs fault,but thats part of the game, andrew luck’s last two games 7 ints . Washingtons game ponder was awesome, greenbays game awesome, he completed over eighty percent of his passes and it would of been more but there were five dropped passes including the game winner that hit patterson in the hands. So lets tell the thruth instead of always hateing ponder. Know ever talks the truth. Remember mustgave also the worst oc history of nfl,also a defense that stunk. Reggie Bush ran all over in that first game and josh robinson got torched every game, thats the truth believe it or not,not ponder

          • Danny Helms Jr.

            The point is, Minnesota will never win anything while Christian Ponder is the starting QB. The one decent season was when AP ran for 2,000+ yards. And ponder was good against Washington and GB? That’s two games out of how many he played? Not to mention, any QB whose decent can be successful with AP in your backfield. Other than a RB, what else is a QBs bestfriend? A TE. Kyle Rudolph is one of the best in the business. Musgrave may have been an idiot, but Ponders inability to be successful in the NFL exceeds far beyond Bill Musgrave.

          • Gary

            Danny, have you ever played football or are you a journalist geek ? Clearly under the circumstances ponder has been put through,it was a tuff situation to be put in. Clearly ponder has all tools to succeed,now with good coaching and play calling time will tell. Calling ponder a bust at this point,shows how little you know about football. Ponder may need to go elsewhere, but will succeed in the nfl with the right team, just haves to much talent not to succeed. Most fans never played the sport and are clearly foolish on how developeing a player takes time.

          • JJSamurai

            No you misunderstand he was the top of the NFL in qb rankings the last two games. The Washington game he was the #1 qb in the NFL in QBR that week. How can you say it goes beyond Musgrave? What other OC has he worked under? I can understand where you are coming from if he was in a Norve Turner Air Coryell system and put up the numbers he did, but he wasn’t. He was barely allowed to throw the ball, so if AP didn’t perform, he was screwed to third long and blitz scenarios. Going to school in San Diego and seeing first hand how Norves Offense works, I think Christian is a perfect fit in that system. He is accurate and has great timing, and will have outs on blitzes, so being mobile to make short option route throws is critical and that’s wher Christian is head and shoulders better than Bridgewater as evidenced by missing his short receiver by 10 yards on his rollouts on Pro Day.

          • Gary

            110 percent agree

          • Gary

            Also Ponder in his second season,was the number one rated Qb the first six games of the season. Then the slump came

          • kyle

            That’s the point with Ponder. He’s INCONSISTENT. Teddy has been consistent and a quick study since high school. He learned Louiseville’s pro-style offense in 3 weeks as a freshman.

    • Vikeadan

      Gary, ur an idiot, I don’t think u know what the hell ur talking about. He has too many weapons and with Peterson in the backfield, how can he not succeed and do well! This guy is smart and doesn’t throw ints, u will see him really flourish under Turners offensive game plan! We will finish 10-6 this year! Go vikes!

      • JJSamurai

        Gary knows exactly what he is talking about. The off target fade passes won’t work in the nfl. BRIDGEWATER, nice kid and a bust. Ponder def. Better. More velocity better legs, and more accurate. I don’t see Bridgewater beating him out, but they may just give it to Bridgewater anyways, and I expect a rude awakening to the nfl.

        • Danny Helms Jr.

          Ponder is far from Bridgewater. Ponder dating back to college, was an okay QB who let EJ Manuel come in a clean a lot of things up sometimes. In the NFL, no different. Ponder gets rattled, and has happy feet. Once first guy isn’t open, he runs. He doesn’t even have the confidence in himself to make some tight window throws. Usually, QBs who have no velocity compliment that with timing and ball placement. Well, ponder doesn’t have that either. Bridgewater stays calm, he can READ defenses, and he has outstanding mechanics in and outside the pocket. 71% completion percentage, 31-4 TD-int ratio? Ponder couldn’t do that in a video game. Let alone the NFL.

          • Gary

            know difference in the nfl,please the speed factor alone will sent teddy spinning.When the pocket collapses,Bridgewater can’t run if his life counted on it.And his percentage is padded with a ton of one and two yard dump offs. bust in the nfl.Spielman could have picked up haha before the packers did or some other defensivr player and drafted a qb in later rounds like macarron who went late. Talk about nfl ready !!!

          • Danny Helms Jr.

            Your argument was Ponder is better than Teddy. So you truly believe what Ponder has accomplished these past three seasons shows he is “NFL ready” and adapts well to “NFL speed”? That’s absurd. Teddy already possesses nfl qualities far beyond Ponder right now. I’m gonna go ahead and say when Bridgewater threw for 266 and 2 TDs against Florida in the sugar bowl, that’s pretty close to “NFL speed”. Not to mention, he played another year after that and his numbers did nothing but improve.

        • kyle

          You need to stop drinking the Ponder kool-aide as well. Ponder didn’t even come close to 31 touchdowns to 4 interceptions in college and hasn’t even come close to that total in the NFL. Bridgewater has the ability to read defenses, call protections and won’t get flustered against the blitz. Speaking of the blitz, teddy was the most accurate quarterback against the blitz in college football last season. Even better than Manziel, Bortles and, especially, Carr. I pray that you’re not calling him a bust solely for his skin tone. If I were to compare Teddy to any quarterback in the league right now, it would be Russell Wilson. Smart, moves the defense with his eyes, accurate, poised. What’s not to love about this kid? And don’t give me the “he’s small” argument. He has room to pack on another 10-15 pounds and will be just fine. I will take a field general like Bridgewater over a scrambling, panicking gun slinger like Manziel any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

          • Gary

            college is a different animal than the nfl

          • kyle

            College is different than the NFL. However, Teddy already exudes more franchise quarterback qualities than ponder ever did coming out of college. He’s better against the blitz, called all hisown protections and took what the defense gave him. Ponder gets happy feet after his first read. I’ve seen it numerous times. We are in a much better situation with Bridgewater than Ponder. By the end of the season, you will eat your words.

          • JJSamurai

            Derek Carr had the least amount of sacks, better check your stats buddy.

          • kyle

            Let’s see here. Carr folds under pressure as evidenced in the bowl game against USC. Bridgewater completed 70% of his passes for 11.1 YPA, 15 TD’s and only 1 pick. Hmmmm. Take the guy who folds under pressure or the guy who threw half his touchdowns against the blitz? Seems like a no brainer to me.

          • JJSamurai

            You better check his career stats, Dereks are better, and the bowl game stats against USC was not that bad. He just wasn’t as dominate as usual. So did Teddy throw close to 50 td passes last year? Teddy had a good year but his college career doesnt compare to Derek’s.

        • Gary

          This Danny Helm’s guy thinks he’s going to be a G M. what a joke !!!

          • JJSamurai

            LOL. Danny can be the GM and Kyle the head coach! lmao….at least they would get a number one pick the following year. They might not be around to see it though.

          • Gary

            JJ,can you tell me what its going to take for Kyle to understand that college stats don’t mean anything once you get to the NFL ? Kyle seems pretty cool, but just hung up on what these journalists geeks write. Most of them have no clue and never report the truth.I can’t understand for the life of me, why can’t they see Ponder never had a coaching staff who knew what the hell they were doing. For God sakes the qbs coach for the last three years,was tTennessee’s running backs coach. Also Ponder never came close to playing three full seasons. Please help me understand ?

          • JJSamurai

            Kyle obviously hasn’t seen the careers of top qbs, they don’t jump out of the gates and start winning superbowls.
            Kyle also obviously hasn’t seen the stats of JaMarcus Russell and Ryan Leafs college careers. They had great stats and more physical prowess than Bridgewater. Personally I think Bridgewater will fare better, but we don’t know that yet. Just like we don’t know how CP7 will do under a good coach and O.C.

    • Riley Emmer

      There’s a sports science on Bridgewater that clocked the velocity he puts on a ball. 56 mph. that’s plenty. Anything can happen this season, but the way Bridge reads a D and goes through his progressions is something Ponder was never able to do. Best wishes for Ponder, I pulled for the guy through thick and thin, but Bridge is the guy.

      • JJSamurai

        Check sports science Christians velocity is higher than Bridgewaters out of college. Stats very similar in college. Under Norve Turner both qbs should have better stats than Christian did under Musgrave. I think Ponder was great under that oppressive sustem he had to perform under. I support whomever wins the spot. Ponder, Bridgewater, Cassel, Partridge. Whomever can do it, they all can win.

  • Paul Engleson

    I agree, Give Bridgewater by the Middle of the Season He should have Norv’s Offense down by then that and watching should help him a lot. I don’t want thin to be rushed they way Ponder was and Ponder didn’t have Norv’s Tutelage as a rookie like Bridgewater has.

  • C.D. Austin Tx.

    Jerry Jones is without a doubt the most unquestionably stupid NFL GM in the game … He could have drafted Teddy Bridgewater and have him lead the Cowboys into the future Super Bowl… and turn his sinking ship around…

  • Gary

    Again Kyle its college football. You guys worship this kid who can’t get out of his own way. The defense in pros are way different from college in everyway,speed being the biggest difference. Ponder will surprise everyone this year with turner calling the plays. True fans that love their team should just be happy with who ever is Qb and wish them luck instead of always knocking them. Ponder made it to the nfl, alot better then we will ever be in sports. Just wish everyone the best and best man wins the job.

  • Dale Ailes

    Ponder has his moments but most of those moments were starting down one receiver and missing wide open ones. When he did not take off running, he threw to the receiver he was staring down and it was either intercepted or thrown into double coverage. First year I understood but after three years and doing the same thing, enough is enough…..and I think Gray might fantasized about ponder in his sleep

    • JJSamurai

      Have you ever watched a game Dale? Doesn’t sound like you know much about football, or the qb position.

      • Dale Ailes

        attended every Vikings game the past 10 years and have really good seats so I see in person what he does….what you don’t see on TV is the other receivers running routes and end up getting wide open and Ponder never sees them because he is too busy staring down that one receiver he wants to throw to. People booing Ponder was pretty well justified, oh by the way, I played quarterback and led my high school to state two years before hurting my shoulder so if you haven’t played the position or attended any Vikings games, maybe you should stop and think before making such stupid comments. And please, don’t comment when you can’t be objective because your love or lust for Ponder is keeping you blind to his inaccuracies and I hope you don’t cry too much when your boyfriend is sitting there third string.

        • JJSamurai

          So Dale how many national championships did you win?
          ….lol
          Okay look this isn’t about how many championships I have won and how many you haven’t.
          I have watched every interception thrown by Christian last year and have replayed them and replayed and analyzed them. Can’t put the blame on him. All except the one under pressure where he rolled out and tried to force one with a lead(bad decision) have then have been quick accurate throws. None of the interceptions were thrown into double coverage. That is why I question you! Please give me the games and dates of these interceptions, cause they don’t exist. I don’t have a like or dislike for Ponder, cause we rarely get to see him throw. Give him some 50 attempt games so we can get a good picture.